DIRTY LITTLE SECRET – UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE? SOCIAL SECURITY?
All of a alternative Nations with concept illness caring systems have been not upon a verge of Bankruptcy. We are… In actuality you owe them income since the own Federal haven can’t even imitation sufficient income for this supervision to spend. We have problems to repair prior to you emanate some-more for destiny generations Health care, Social Security, Medicaid, David Walker, 60 minutes, Vote Ron Paul!
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look jest pay oblamadon to his cash stash soze weez can all have da half caya…thatz all…..nuttin fancy….just pay for my BIG family NOW…..all youz that have da money & are too stupid to hang onto it don’t deserve to have it anyway…give to da cause…………thanks chumps…
I don’t know what’s worse; the way Americans are fed a continuous stream of bullshit about the evils of “socialist” universal healthcare, or that so many of them actually believe it.
“We have a 14th amendment that guarantees everyone equal protections of law, give out licenses to get married, but do not allow licenses for plural or gay marriage.”
It’s distressing how far behind the times the United States has fallen. The 14th Amendment has become little more than the dildo corporations use to rape individuals and intimidate the courts… meanwhile, all the people can think about is ways to prevent one another from enjoying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
“We do not need universal health care. We already have that in a basic form and it is not working.”
You system works, but not as well as it might. And it is by no means universal; 18,000 people a year die because they don’t fit nicely into one category or another. I have a friend in LA who has a job but can’t BE insured because he has a chronic liver ailment; as a worker, he doesn’t qualify for government plans. So whenever he really gets sick, his home and savings will be gone. Is that fair?
“The Canadian system stresses more on prevention.”
Yes, I’ve been saying that elsewhere… seems to fall on deaf ears. All you hear about is people supposedly jamming up emergency rooms with sniffles. No, they go to walk-in clinics with sniffles, knowing it’s not the difference between eating or not this week. And if the sniffles turn out to be something like the start of bronchitis, it’s nipped in the bud for a few bucks worth of antibiotics instead of a month-long hospital stay; real savings.
“Your assumption of collective work is that equal effort will be contributed by all”
No, it isn’t; that’s not a prerequisite at all.
“Someone always does all the work”
Really. Ever gone out on a Saturday and built a superhighway to the next town all by yourself? Do tell. Otherwise, your claim is mere hyperbole.
“Prior to LBJ’s great society, people were more self reliant”
Prove it. Let’s see the stats. Demonstrate that in a quantitative manner.
I’m an American born and raised in a place where I could always hear CBC radio, since the late 1940’s. Canada is a great country and has a great health care system that saved my life several years ago. Not being Canadian I had to pay, and my American insurance paid about 2% of the cost. I was able to pay the rest, just barely.
I like how you’re painting me as a socialist. Not appropriate but I like how you think. Very Republican of you.
The idea of universal health care for me at least takes away all the greedy private companys that profit on your pain. They take MASSIVE amounts of cash from every pay and then demand MASSIVE amounts when you actually use what you paid for. Fine, don’t use government health. But for god sake, make all the billing central to 1 company or entity of some sort.
@strakallah The Canadian system stresses more on prevention. Regular check ups to to nip it in the bud so to speak on preventable issues. I am not saying that it is a good system. It is a system that if you need to go to the ER, you wont pay 20 dollars for 2 tylenol.
iotu: We do not need universal health care. We already have that in a basic form and it is not working.
Example: Anyone can go to the ER and get care, but some people contribute to the system and others take and it has not been good…right?
If people were MORE self reliant and LESS dependent on Government, we would all be better off.
atch: Your assumption of collective work is that equal effort will be contributed by all, and that never works out as planned. Someone always does all the work, and someone else always expects everyone else to do their work for them.
Prior to LBJ’s great society, people were more self reliant and much better off. After this entitlement mentality was created, we have generations dependent on Government welfare. How is that better?
iotu: What comment are you discussing?
“The commodification of human health is fundamentally a good thing in that allows stakeholders to extract value from policy holders in exchange for truncated service.
Economic growth proceeds human need.”
We need universal healthcare!
@WeedaPeople. Which parts do you have a problem with? Or was this just an ignorant comment?
“At the heart of your argument is that Humanity is inherently evil”
No, at the heart of my thesis is that we are at our best when we work collectively in our mutual self-interest rather than going it alone or being exclusionary. That’s how we’ve achieved civilization, and I feel that working together to ensure the health and welfare of everyone in our society is of benefit to us all in the long term.
raka: I did not tell you that. YOU ASSUMED THAT.
I do not want any part of the Canadian system whatsoever. There is nothing about their system we need.
We DO need to fix our Government before we change any systems. Yes, on that I agree. I have been saying that from the beginning. Only now are you beginning to sing the same song.
You told me your conclusions came from “Sick in America”.
In either case, it doesn’t seem like your arguement is against National Health. It seems like your issues are with shitty government.
If your opinion is that the Canadian system is shit, don’t clone the Canadian system. If you know about problems there then don’t make your system to include those problems. At the end of the day you need to fix your government before you can create a good system. I think we agree on something finally.
(cont) We are the only country on earth that could come up with gems like the FEMA response to Katrina, Don’t ask don’t tell, the John Murtha airport and the Watergate scandal. We have a 14th amendment that guarantees everyone equal protections of law, give out licenses to get married, but do not allow licenses for plural or gay marriage. We will not tolerate age discrimination from anyone, except our own Government, who practices it daily. These are not the people we should trust with health.
raka: Only you could come to that screwey conclusion.
I told you clearly that my “opinions” come from my personal 1st hand experience with the U.S. Federal Government and the Government run health care I already have access to, but choose not to use. I never told you that I based my opinions on the media. It however, illustrates and confirms what I already knew about U.S. Government run care. Think of the worst problems of the Canadian system in the hands of the worst fiscal managers ever.
Hang on…
So me entering into an open debate is me not having thick skin. You entering into an open debate on the internet is somehow different.
You have already told me that your “own” opinions are based on biased media.
Right – yet your error is in thinking that the same greed will somehow be protected against in a hugely intrusive and expensive public system.
In fact, this very same corruption and greed will be ENTRENCHED, not removed. But it’s no longer a problem if it’s legally institutionalized, right?
Sheer genius. At the heart of your argument is that Humanity is inherently evil – if you truly believe that, then what exactly are you fighting for?
Another self-hating human. What a waste.
adha: I have my numbers right: The U.S. Congress can not be trusted with $1.
What other information is needed?
Americans must just love being ripped off, they pay twice as much as the French (per capita) for a healthcare system that produces inferior results…
Just PAY for my half million in HC issues NOW!
Redistribution & loose money RULE!
Thanks chumps…. those too dumb to hang onto their own money……
I’m countin on it….
& don’t complain or I’ll rat you out…
It would be PLAIN and simple enough for me if you got your numbers right. You are comparing apples to oranges, which makes for poor math.
And Stossel’s piece is cherry picked garbage, where he tells half truths or leaves out very important information. He’s biased in his piece, which isn’t honest journalism. I’m surprised he’s not working for Fox.